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Hi guys thankyou for your advice I will send you my address andrew that would a real help thanks. I think I am going to cancel my urodyanmic test till I fell a bit more confident I am going to start by trying to go in front of my wife which in 17years I have never done I might even pluck up the courage to come to one of the workshops its time I did somthing about my phobia as for some reason it has seemed to get worse the older I get in my 20s I was a really out going person and It did no really bother me I just used to wait for cubicle to be free a bit embarssing somtimes but I just lived with it then they started putting bouncers and toliet attendents in pubs and clubs in manchester and I just became a bit of a nightmare. so I stopped going into town etc and my confidence just started to go now I worry about going to the loo even if I am going to a local pub and it does not help the fact I now have two young sons one is 4 years old so I try my best to make him were possible use the urinals as I think my ap comes from having a slightly older sister and my mum always taking us to the toilet in a cubicle so never really got used to he urinals Thanks again for the responces hope I have not bored you with my life story cheers Martin