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I've fallen off the desensing wagon - any suggestions?
Posted by Conor on 23/11/2014, 10:31 pm
Hi all.
I went on a beginners' workshop in January 2012, and a follow up in November 2012.
I found both of them amazing, despite being especially nervous before the first one (irrational imaginings, etc.) and not great in myself before the second one (due to having 'fallen off the wagon' desensing-wise about three months after the initial workshop). Those of you who've attended a workshop will get what I'm saying, I imagine. (Btw, if you haven't attended, I'd urge you not to allow your shame or anxiety around this thing stop you from attending one.)
My experience was that the free peeing I managed over those weekends (which I was NOT expecting to be the case, trust me) was one of the greatest highs I've ever experienced. Up there with all those exciting firsts of adolescence. I'd been putting up with all the avoidance rubbish for thirty years (I'm 47 as I write now) so to be free for those 48 hours or so was, as I said, amazing. There was a funny end to the weekend on the flight home that catches the whole thing. I had loaded up, but too much. And, because I no longer had that all-powerful fear, I had a different problem - that I might actually wet myself! When the - delayed - plane finally landed, I rushed to the nearest toilets, where I found the two outside urinals of three being used by two burly lads who had been on my outgoing flight too, as part of a stag party. In other words, one of my worst case scenarios. Before the workshops, I would have sat in a cubicle, peed silently and waited for them to have gone before emerging, lest - horror of horrors - they realised I had gone into the cubicle for a pee and was therefore less of a man, etc, etc. (Nonsense.) But without a thought I went straight in between them and proceeded to just... go. I even said aloud, 'Expletive hell, I thought that plane would never expletive land.' As I left, I inwardly laughed at myself - in the good natured sense of that phrase - because the experience I'd just had was so not me, so not-in-my-wildest-dreams, and yet had just happened.
I could go on, but instead I'll get to the point. (If you're interested in more on my immediate post-workshop experiences, just go through the pages here till you get to postings by me in Jan, and then Nov, 2012.)
The point is that, despite the best of intentions around desensing, I just haven't managed to keep doing it. There were various acute moments of personal difficulties (bereavements, job stuff, etc) that didn't help, but such things will always be a part of life, so they aren't the reason.
For me, the very success of the weekend has become a double-edged sword. I try to cast off my fixation on success (i.e. to shrug it off as no big thing if I can't go) but, having been able to go every time bar once on that second workshop (out of about fifty attempts!) I find it really dispiriting, not to mention inconvenient, to freeze when I want to pee. Which is what I do virtually every time now, when I actually go for it. Today, for instance, I didn't. Because there was a guy at one of the urinals, I just went to a cubicle and peed - silently, unfortunately.
I am better off head-wise than before (I no longer emasculate myself around my shy bladder, thanks to Andrew my understanding is too clear for that) and have even 'come out' to some of my male friends, which was supportive and empowering, but the fact remains that I am, as I've said already, still mostly either inconvenienced or dispirited.
Has anyone else experienced this dip in fortunes? Does anyone have anything helpful to suggest? Just get back on the desensing horse, I hear you say.
Yes, but two things in relation to this: 1) I find the headaches I get from loading up really difficult. I have to write off the rest of the day, nearly. Which is often not on around wife and kids. 2) I find the alternative - holding on to a slow buildup from a normal intake of fluids - really uncomfortable. I tried this at work, desensing on the way home, but my work-performance was affected.
Anyway, thanks for reading this long post; any suggestions would be helpful.
Conor.
Re: I've fallen off the desensing wagon - any suggestions?
First sorry about your negative experiences and feelings. You said yourself before that "I am very good at beating myself up". Another way of looking at that is that maybe you do not give yourself any slack. Practicing fluid loading and intensive desensing is not easy to fit into life for most guys, so we have to accept that we do what we can when we can, and if we can. If we can’t fit it in, then that is life.
You know that if you come to another workshop (and I am not suggesting you should), you would recapture the ability, just like you did on your follow-up workshop. You would start off at a comfortable level and move back up. So an approach may be as follows: do not fluid load, but go along with normal daily life. When in a toilet, if the set-up fits in with your comfortable starting level on the hierarchy, fake it to start with. Get used to it. Repeat faking for several occasions, just to get some feeling of control. Re-read your own feedback for the things you said that most helped you then e.g. "the single most important piece of information, for me, was that I couldn't MAKE myself pee. But I COULD just decide not to care." If the set-up does not fit your hierarchy, make it so i.e. use a cubicle, or leave and return a bit later. The set-up may have changed by then. This way you can make progress just as you would on a workshop, but obviously over a longer period of time - but time is what you have got.
Once you have got onto your hierarchy, using it as it becomes appropriate, bear in mind the following. You know and I know that peeing is not a race. Guys who do not have shy bladder just hang in there till it happens. They expect to be able to go so wait for it. I tend to do that now. I just resign myself to waiting: a bit like having a dog on a lead that is sniffing the lamppost; the owner just stands there waiting for it to happen!
I also say to myself that I am a slow pisser: slow to start, slow to pee. And I don’t care if I don’t go, as I will either try again later or do something to get down my hierarchy, like use a cubicle.
Hope this helps. Do get back and let’s get you going again.
Cheers
Andrew
Re: I've fallen off the desensing wagon - any suggestions?
Thanks so much for those wise words, Andrew. Now all I have to do is apply them! But seriously, it's all about keeping the faith, which is obviously easier with the support of a group (and if budgeting and time were of no consequence to me, I would go back for a third work shop). But, in the meantime, your words are enough to remind me of the group dynamic I found so empowering on those workshops. So thank you. Would love to stay tapping this keyboard, but gotta pee...
Re: I've fallen off the desensing wagon - any suggestions?
we did a day in Dundrum a while back ,, i have also fallen off the wagon,, I fully intend to do a follow up this year,,,but i work weekends so its difficult, Anyway if i can help in anyway or if you want to try anything let me know, martin